Toro Bill Jr. - Revision history

BlackLesnar at 15:19, 1 August 2026

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	\|realName=Roberto Rosete		\|realName=José Roberto Rosete Tamayo<ref name=funeral>https://thecubsfan.com/cmll/2022/04/27/triplemania-changes-toro-bill-jr-noah/</ref>
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	\|nameHistory=Pies planos (2002), Toro Bill Jr. (2003 - death)		\|nameHistory=Pies planos (2002), Toro Bill Jr. (2003 - death)
	\|family=[[Toro Bill]] (father)		\|family=[[Toro Bill]] (father), a wife and three children<ref name=funeral/>
	\|maestro=[[Toro Bill]], [[Califa]], [[Danger]]		\|maestro=[[Toro Bill]], [[Califa]], [[Danger]]
	\|birthdate=[[May 29]], [[1981]] -[[Puebla]]		\|birthdate=[[May 29]], [[1981]] -[[Puebla]]
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	Toro Bill Jr. is the third wrestler in the extended CMLL family to pass away in the last six weeks, following [[Black Warrior Jr.]] (training injury leading to death months later) on March 17th and [[Raziel]] (heart attack/car accident) on April 4th. Toro Bill Jr. is the second active Arena Puebla local luchador to pass away in the last couple of years, with Puebla luchador [[Ares el Guerrero]] (unconfirmed [[COVID-19]] related) passing in June 2020.		Toro Bill Jr. is the third wrestler in the extended CMLL family to pass away in the last six weeks, following [[Black Warrior Jr.]] (training injury leading to death months later) on March 17th and [[Raziel]] (heart attack/car accident) on April 4th. Toro Bill Jr. is the second active Arena Puebla local luchador to pass away in the last couple of years, with Puebla luchador [[Ares el Guerrero]] (unconfirmed [[COVID-19]] related) passing in June 2020.

			SuperLuchas Obituary: https://superluchas.com/recordando-a-toro-bill-jr-el-rudazo-de-puebla/
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BlackLesnar at 23:43, 30 July 2026

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	The shine wore off the duo when they were stuck in the same place for so long and then Apocalipsis & Bill were suddenly no longer teaming with each other in early 2017. There was no breakup angle, they were just suddenly in different matches if they were even both booked. They reunited for a match in 2018 and occasionally since, though neither man gave much of an explanation as to why they stopped teaming. They continued to team on shows outside of Arena Puebla, including coming to the Mexico City area on [[Lucha Memes]] cards. It seemed like a specific CMLL/Arena Puebla restriction that the two were not to be a regular team.		The shine wore off the duo when they were stuck in the same place for so long and then Apocalipsis & Bill were suddenly no longer teaming with each other in early 2017. There was no breakup angle, they were just suddenly in different matches if they were even both booked. They reunited for a match in 2018 and occasionally since, though neither man gave much of an explanation as to why they stopped teaming. They continued to team on shows outside of Arena Puebla, including coming to the Mexico City area on [[Lucha Memes]] cards. It seemed like a specific CMLL/Arena Puebla restriction that the two were not to be a regular team.

	Toro Bill Jr. also wrestled on independent shows in Puebla. He was a frequent participant of “[[La Liga de la Justicia]]”, which appears to be a lot of Arena Puebla regulars bringing in Mexico City independent talent to have the sorts of big matches they weren’t getting to have in their home arena. Toro Bill Jr. also made a surprise appearance on the 2019-12-03 Arena Mexico show, filling in a [[Copa Junior]] block for a missing [[Super Astro Jr.]]. He didn’t go far in the tournament but looked fine, and it’s another one of those things where maybe he would’ve gotten another chance if the pandemic didn’t come around a few months later.		Toro Bill Jr. also wrestled on independent shows in Puebla. He was a frequent participant of “La [[Liga de la Justicia]]”, which appears to be a lot of Arena Puebla regulars bringing in Mexico City independent talent to have the sorts of big matches they weren’t getting to have in their home arena. Toro Bill Jr. also made a surprise appearance on the 2019-12-03 Arena Mexico show, filling in a [[Copa Junior]] block for a missing [[Super Astro Jr.]]. He didn’t go far in the tournament but looked fine, and it’s another one of those things where maybe he would’ve gotten another chance if the pandemic didn’t come around a few months later.

	A traffic accident last week (April 18) caused the road from Mexico City to be cut off and prevented someone from making that Arena Puebla show. Toro Bill Jr. filled in the semi-main as a result. My records are far from complete, but it’s the highest I have him working on an Arena Puebla show. He seemed thrilled with the opportunity. Saturday on his public Facebook page, Toro Bill Jr. wrote a long post about the evolution of the mask and all the people who’d helped train him over the years, thanking them for helping him on his journey. It’d be one of the last posts he’d get to make.		A traffic accident last week (April 18) caused the road from Mexico City to be cut off and prevented someone from making that Arena Puebla show. Toro Bill Jr. filled in the semi-main as a result. My records are far from complete, but it’s the highest I have him working on an Arena Puebla show. He seemed thrilled with the opportunity. Saturday on his public Facebook page, Toro Bill Jr. wrote a long post about the evolution of the mask and all the people who’d helped train him over the years, thanking them for helping him on his journey. It’d be one of the last posts he’d get to make.

BlackLesnar at 23:36, 30 July 2026

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	(Reports differ on Toro Bill’s age. His Facebook lists his birthday as May 29, 1986, which would make him 35 and the start of his Arena Puebla career at 18. I do not have his real name.)		(Reports differ on Toro Bill’s age. His Facebook lists his birthday as May 29, 1986, which would make him 35 and the start of his Arena Puebla career at 18. I do not have his real name.)

	Toro Bill Jr.’s best run during the Arena Puebla streaming period was as part of [[~~La Batillon~~ de la Muerte]], a Mexican revolutionary-themed team with [[Rey Apocalipsis]] and second [[Adelita]], forming in 2014. The two were a well-working rudo and colorful team with Apocalipsis bringing most of the charisma, and got over pretty well for a time. Unfortunately, CMLL appears to see most local Puebla luchadors simply as bodies to fill out the first couple of matches. Few are ever pushed, even versus each other. CMLL recognized the act was over enough to bring to [[Mexico City]] for an interview on their Informa talk show, something typically only done if they’re going to use the wrestlers in [[Arena Mexico]], but that was it. They didn’t get much to do in Arena Puebla either, which would’ve been so easy to do. There was definitely something there that felt like it connected with the crowd and could’ve gone a lot farther, CMLL just didn’t seem interested in it.		Toro Bill Jr.’s best run during the Arena Puebla streaming period was as part of [[El Batallón de la Muerte]], a Mexican revolutionary-themed team with [[Rey Apocalipsis]] and second [[Adelita]], forming in 2014. The two were a well-working rudo and colorful team with Apocalipsis bringing most of the charisma, and got over pretty well for a time. Unfortunately, CMLL appears to see most local Puebla luchadors simply as bodies to fill out the first couple of matches. Few are ever pushed, even versus each other. CMLL recognized the act was over enough to bring to [[Mexico City]] for an interview on their Informa talk show, something typically only done if they’re going to use the wrestlers in [[Arena Mexico]], but that was it. They didn’t get much to do in Arena Puebla either, which would’ve been so easy to do. There was definitely something there that felt like it connected with the crowd and could’ve gone a lot farther, CMLL just didn’t seem interested in it.

	The shine wore off the duo when they were stuck in the same place for so long and then Apocalipsis & Bill were suddenly no longer teaming with each other in early 2017. There was no breakup angle, they were just suddenly in different matches if they were even both booked. They reunited for a match in 2018 and occasionally since, though neither man gave much of an explanation as to why they stopped teaming. They continued to team on shows outside of Arena Puebla, including coming to the Mexico City area on [[Lucha Memes]] cards. It seemed like a specific CMLL/Arena Puebla restriction that the two were not to be a regular team.		The shine wore off the duo when they were stuck in the same place for so long and then Apocalipsis & Bill were suddenly no longer teaming with each other in early 2017. There was no breakup angle, they were just suddenly in different matches if they were even both booked. They reunited for a match in 2018 and occasionally since, though neither man gave much of an explanation as to why they stopped teaming. They continued to team on shows outside of Arena Puebla, including coming to the Mexico City area on [[Lucha Memes]] cards. It seemed like a specific CMLL/Arena Puebla restriction that the two were not to be a regular team.

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Simpson11 at 00:25, 27 April 2022

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Flashmagic at 13:55, 18 July 2014

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