Talk:NWA World Middleweight Championship - Revision history

Thecubsfan: /* Source Formatting */ new section

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	This means everything after Rene Guajardo's 1967 reign (current title reign 25) needs to be one later. Santo should be credited with a second middleweight title reign. --[[User:Thecubsfan\|Thecubsfan]] ([[User talk:Thecubsfan\|talk]]) 11:40, 8 April 2020 (PDT)		This means everything after Rene Guajardo's 1967 reign (current title reign 25) needs to be one later. Santo should be credited with a second middleweight title reign. --[[User:Thecubsfan\|Thecubsfan]] ([[User talk:Thecubsfan\|talk]]) 11:40, 8 April 2020 (PDT)

			== Source Formatting ==

			I think I like this way of including the source links better than what we originally had, but I'm going to sit on it before changing other titles. Feedback is welcome. (I'll probably just change the standard templates if I make the shift, don't change the pages.) --[[User:Thecubsfan\|Thecubsfan]] ([[User talk:Thecubsfan\|talk]]) 10:20, 21 April 2020 (PDT)

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 I think we've had matches where people have put hair, masks and titles on the line in some tag/four way situation, and we usually only consider the ultimate match as the title defense or the lucha de apuesta. It's not exactly what's going on here, but it's the closest comparison I can think of. --[[User:Nkhan|thecubsfan]] 19:45, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
-== 1966 ==
+== missing title reign ==
 [https://www.facebook.com/96186896558/posts/10154312540101559 Box Y Lucha] has Santo beating Rene Guajardo on 1966-12-13. Rene Guajardo is champ at that point, though there's no other sign of him losing it. --[[User:Thecubsfan|Thecubsfan]] ([[User talk:Thecubsfan|talk]]) 09:13, 13 December 2016 (PST)

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	I think we've had matches where people have put hair, masks and titles on the line in some tag/four way situation, and we usually only consider the ultimate match as the title defense or the lucha de apuesta. It's not exactly what's going on here, but it's the closest comparison I can think of. --[[User:Nkhan\|thecubsfan]] 19:45, 5 January 2009 (UTC)		I think we've had matches where people have put hair, masks and titles on the line in some tag/four way situation, and we usually only consider the ultimate match as the title defense or the lucha de apuesta. It's not exactly what's going on here, but it's the closest comparison I can think of. --[[User:Nkhan\|thecubsfan]] 19:45, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

			== 1966 ==

			[https://www.facebook.com/96186896558/posts/10154312540101559 Box Y Lucha] has Santo beating Rene Guajardo on 1966-12-13. Rene Guajardo is champ at that point, though there's no other sign of him losing it. --[[User:Thecubsfan\|Thecubsfan]] ([[User talk:Thecubsfan\|talk]]) 09:13, 13 December 2016 (PST)

Campeon at 12:19, 29 April 2010

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	*Rolando Vera (14)
	*Sugi Sito (9, 12)
	*Tarzan Lopez (5, 8, 11)
	*Enrique Llanes (10)
	*Mike Kelly (7)		*Mike Kelly (7)
	*Gory Guerrero (6)		*Gory Guerrero (6)
	*Black Guzman (4)		*Black Guzman (4)
	*Tarzan Lopes (3)
	*Octavio Gaona (2)		*Octavio Gaona (2)
	*Gus Kallio (1) --[[User:Nkhan\|thecubsfan]] 04:55, 25 August 2008 (UTC)		*Gus Kallio (1) --[[User:Nkhan\|thecubsfan]] 04:55, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Nkhan at 19:08, 23 April 2009

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	*Satanico (44, 52, 54, 56, 58)
	*El Faraon (33, 37, 50)
	*Tony Salazar (41, 47)
	*Cachorro Mendoza (45)
	*Rolando Vera (14)		*Rolando Vera (14)
	*El Santo (13) - one of [[:image:Mask24-04.jpg\|these]]?
	*Sugi Sito (9, 12)		*Sugi Sito (9, 12)
	*Tarzan Lopez (5, 8, 11)		*Tarzan Lopez (5, 8, 11)

Nkhan at 19:54, 20 April 2009

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	*Tony Salazar (41, 47)		*Tony Salazar (41, 47)
	*Cachorro Mendoza (45)		*Cachorro Mendoza (45)
	*Benny Galant (19)
	*Antonio Posa (16)
	*Rolando Vera (14)		*Rolando Vera (14)
	*El Santo (13) - one of [[:image:Mask24-04.jpg\|these]]?		*El Santo (13) - one of [[:image:Mask24-04.jpg\|these]]?

Nkhan at 19:23, 16 April 2009

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	*La Fiera (61)
	*Satanico (44, 52, 54, 56, 58)		*Satanico (44, 52, 54, 56, 58)
	*Lizmark (55)
	*Cesar Curiel (51)
	*El Faraon (33, 37, 50)		*El Faraon (33, 37, 50)
	*Tony Salazar (41, 47)		*Tony Salazar (41, 47)
	*Cachorro Mendoza (45)		*Cachorro Mendoza (45)
	*Jerry London (22)
	*Benny Galant (19)		*Benny Galant (19)
	*Antonio Posa (16)		*Antonio Posa (16)

Nkhan at 19:45, 5 January 2009

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	I totally endorse what you're doing, in listing the announced/reported defense number where known and conflicting. More info is better - it lets us know what we're missing, and it reminds everyone else that we are missing plenty. Thanks. --[[User:Nkhan\|thecubsfan]] 06:13, 19 November 2008 (UTC)		I totally endorse what you're doing, in listing the announced/reported defense number where known and conflicting. More info is better - it lets us know what we're missing, and it reminds everyone else that we are missing plenty. Thanks. --[[User:Nkhan\|thecubsfan]] 06:13, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

			== 12/04/07 title defense ===

	Ummm...the 12/4/07 defense that was just added for Averno against Vaneglis & Mistico, I didn't think Averno actually defended his title because he managed to gain the first pinfall, thus allowing him to not actually put his title on the line. Am I wrong? --[[User:JT179\|JT179]] 07:16, 4 January 2009 (UTC)		Ummm...the 12/4/07 defense that was just added for Averno against Vaneglis & Mistico, I didn't think Averno actually defended his title because he managed to gain the first pinfall, thus allowing him to not actually put his title on the line. Am I wrong? --[[User:JT179\|JT179]] 07:16, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

	You have a point. It's a tough call. One can either look at it as Averno won the three-way and thus avoided putting his title on the line or Averno successfully defended his belt since it was dubbed a title vs title vs title match.--[[User:Robert\|Robert]] 08:03, 4 January 2009 (UTC)		You have a point. It's a tough call. One can either look at it as Averno won the three-way and thus avoided putting his title on the line or Averno successfully defended his belt since it was dubbed a title vs title vs title match.--[[User:Robert\|Robert]] 08:03, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

			I think we've had matches where people have put hair, masks and titles on the line in some tag/four way situation, and we usually only consider the ultimate match as the title defense or the lucha de apuesta. It's not exactly what's going on here, but it's the closest comparison I can think of. --[[User:Nkhan\|thecubsfan]] 19:45, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Robert at 08:03, 4 January 2009

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	Ummm...the 12/4/07 defense that was just added for Averno against Vaneglis & Mistico, I didn't think Averno actually defended his title because he managed to gain the first pinfall, thus allowing him to not actually put his title on the line. Am I wrong? --[[User:JT179\|JT179]] 07:16, 4 January 2009 (UTC)		Ummm...the 12/4/07 defense that was just added for Averno against Vaneglis & Mistico, I didn't think Averno actually defended his title because he managed to gain the first pinfall, thus allowing him to not actually put his title on the line. Am I wrong? --[[User:JT179\|JT179]] 07:16, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

			You have a point. It's a tough call. One can either look at it as Averno won the three-way and thus avoided putting his title on the line or Averno successfully defended his belt since it was dubbed a title vs title vs title match.--[[User:Robert\|Robert]] 08:03, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

JT179 at 07:16, 4 January 2009

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	I totally endorse what you're doing, in listing the announced/reported defense number where known and conflicting. More info is better - it lets us know what we're missing, and it reminds everyone else that we are missing plenty. Thanks. --[[User:Nkhan\|thecubsfan]] 06:13, 19 November 2008 (UTC)		I totally endorse what you're doing, in listing the announced/reported defense number where known and conflicting. More info is better - it lets us know what we're missing, and it reminds everyone else that we are missing plenty. Thanks. --[[User:Nkhan\|thecubsfan]] 06:13, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

			Ummm...the 12/4/07 defense that was just added for Averno against Vaneglis & Mistico, I didn't think Averno actually defended his title because he managed to gain the first pinfall, thus allowing him to not actually put his title on the line. Am I wrong? --[[User:JT179\|JT179]] 07:16, 4 January 2009 (UTC)