Talk:Mexican National Lightweight Championship - Revision history

Tunderman at 09:17, 2 July 2023

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	== Mishima Ota 1957 Reign ==		== Mishima Ota 1957 Reign ==
	In the [[July 17]] page it is written that [[Mishima Ota]] won the title on July 17, 1957 defeating [[Juan Diaz]] in [[Mexicali]], [[Baja California]] and that match is not listed in this page. On the other hand, there is the date he won the title on October 9 of that year, but in Plaza de Toros de Terron against Juan Diaz.		In the [[July 17]] page it is written that [[Mishima Ota]] won the title on July 17, 1957 defeating [[Juan Diaz]] in [[Mexicali]], [[Baja California]] and that match is not listed in this page. On the other hand, there is the date he won the title on October 6 of that year, but in Plaza de Toros de Terron against Juan Diaz.

	I have the following questions:		I have the following questions:

Tunderman: /* Mishima Ota 1957 Reign */

2023-07-02T09:16:09Z

Mishima Ota 1957 Reign

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	These are my own assumptions: It is not impossible that the match in Mexicali really happened. In that time there was the [[Arena Pueblo Nuevo]] and there were matches where national titles were on the line. Besides Mexicali was Mishima's "hometown" and that could make sense. Nevertheless, Juan could have a rematch and regained the title until October. All of that is difficult but not impossible.		These are my own assumptions: It is not impossible that the match in Mexicali really happened. In that time there was the [[Arena Pueblo Nuevo]] and there were matches where national titles were on the line. Besides Mexicali was Mishima's "hometown" and that could make sense. Nevertheless, Juan could have a rematch and regained the title until October. All of that is difficult but not impossible.

	--[[User:~~The Thunderman~~]] 02:13, 2 July 2023 (PCT)		--[[User:Tunderman]] 02:13, 2 July 2023 (PCT)

Tunderman: /* Mishima Ota 1957 Reign */

2023-07-02T09:15:35Z

Mishima Ota 1957 Reign

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	== Mishima Ota 1957 Reign ==		== Mishima Ota 1957 Reign ==
	In the [[July 17]] page it is written that [[Mishima Ota]] won the title on July 17, 1957 defeating [[Juan ~~Díaz~~]] in [[Mexicali]], [[Baja California]] and that match is not listed in this page. On the other hand, there is the date he won the title on October 9 of that year, but in Plaza de Toros de Terron against Juan Diaz.		In the [[July 17]] page it is written that [[Mishima Ota]] won the title on July 17, 1957 defeating [[Juan Diaz]] in [[Mexicali]], [[Baja California]] and that match is not listed in this page. On the other hand, there is the date he won the title on October 9 of that year, but in Plaza de Toros de Terron against Juan Diaz.

	I have the following questions:		I have the following questions:

Tunderman at 09:14, 2 July 2023

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	In 1983 (and upon his passing), Halcon 599 has Raul Guerrero winning the lightweight title for a second time on April 28, 1976. That doesn't fit with what we have, or that chart up there! Halcon is weird. --[[User:Nkhan\|thecubsfan]] ([[User talk:Nkhan\|talk]]) 13:26, 6 August 2021 (PDT)		In 1983 (and upon his passing), Halcon 599 has Raul Guerrero winning the lightweight title for a second time on April 28, 1976. That doesn't fit with what we have, or that chart up there! Halcon is weird. --[[User:Nkhan\|thecubsfan]] ([[User talk:Nkhan\|talk]]) 13:26, 6 August 2021 (PDT)

			== Mishima Ota 1957 Reign ==
			In the [[July 17]] page it is written that [[Mishima Ota]] won the title on July 17, 1957 defeating [[Juan Díaz]] in [[Mexicali]], [[Baja California]] and that match is not listed in this page. On the other hand, there is the date he won the title on October 9 of that year, but in Plaza de Toros de Terron against Juan Diaz.

			I have the following questions:

			1) What was the source where you found of the match and title change in Mexicali? I noticed thst this fact was uploaded for many years.

			2) If that match happen, is that means Mishima was Mexican National Lightweight champion twice?

			These are my own assumptions: It is not impossible that the match in Mexicali really happened. In that time there was the [[Arena Pueblo Nuevo]] and there were matches where national titles were on the line. Besides Mexicali was Mishima's "hometown" and that could make sense. Nevertheless, Juan could have a rematch and regained the title until October. All of that is difficult but not impossible.

			--[[User:The Thunderman]] 02:13, 2 July 2023 (PCT)

Nkhan: /* Halcon Mensual 7 */

2021-08-06T20:26:09Z

Halcon Mensual 7

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	Halcon Mensual 7 has a story on the history of the title, on the occasion of Aristotles winning the tournament for the vacant belt. [https://imgur.com/7CVOQRo There's a listing of past reigns] and it's a mess; there are title changes years off or missing entirely from what we've been able to source. The last few reigns are more likely to be correct, but I'm mostly posting this to note it exists while recommending against using it as source material for dates here. --[[User:Nkhan\|thecubsfan]] ([[User talk:Nkhan\|talk]]) 11:48, 24 May 2021 (PDT)		Halcon Mensual 7 has a story on the history of the title, on the occasion of Aristotles winning the tournament for the vacant belt. [https://imgur.com/7CVOQRo There's a listing of past reigns] and it's a mess; there are title changes years off or missing entirely from what we've been able to source. The last few reigns are more likely to be correct, but I'm mostly posting this to note it exists while recommending against using it as source material for dates here. --[[User:Nkhan\|thecubsfan]] ([[User talk:Nkhan\|talk]]) 11:48, 24 May 2021 (PDT)

			In 1983 (and upon his passing), Halcon 599 has Raul Guerrero winning the lightweight title for a second time on April 28, 1976. That doesn't fit with what we have, or that chart up there! Halcon is weird. --[[User:Nkhan\|thecubsfan]] ([[User talk:Nkhan\|talk]]) 13:26, 6 August 2021 (PDT)

Nkhan: /* Jack O'Brien 1938 reign */

2021-05-24T18:48:20Z

Jack O'Brien 1938 reign

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	--[[User:Nkhan\|thecubsfan]] ([[User talk:Nkhan\|talk]]) 10:28, 21 January 2021 (PST)		--[[User:Nkhan\|thecubsfan]] ([[User talk:Nkhan\|talk]]) 10:28, 21 January 2021 (PST)

			== Halcon Mensual 7 ==

			Halcon Mensual 7 has a story on the history of the title, on the occasion of Aristotles winning the tournament for the vacant belt. [https://imgur.com/7CVOQRo There's a listing of past reigns] and it's a mess; there are title changes years off or missing entirely from what we've been able to source. The last few reigns are more likely to be correct, but I'm mostly posting this to note it exists while recommending against using it as source material for dates here. --[[User:Nkhan\|thecubsfan]] ([[User talk:Nkhan\|talk]]) 11:48, 24 May 2021 (PDT)

Nkhan at 18:28, 21 January 2021

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	i think they are just calling it a wiehgt division title and not putting it as a minins title they may unify but i think is to give guys in the mini division more compettion adn recognition		i think they are just calling it a wiehgt division title and not putting it as a minins title they may unify but i think is to give guys in the mini division more compettion adn recognition

			== Jack O'Brien 1938 reign ==

			Box Y Lucha 905, in a piece about the early history of titles and this title specifically, does not list a second reign for O'Brien. We haven't been able to find a date but his bio suggests it did happen.

			that issue's lightweight history

			# Jack O'Brien
			# Dientes Hernandez
			# Bobby Bonales
			# Dientes Hernandez
			# Adolfo Bonales
			# Joe Silva
			# Raul Romero
			# Emilio Charles
			# Joe Marin
			# Alejandro Cruz/Black Shadow
			# Juanito Diaz
			# Mishima Ota
			# Juanito Diaz
			# Chanoc
			# Ulises
			# Chanoc
			# Rodolfo Ruiz
			# Alberto Muniz
			# Rolando Costa
			# Raul Rojas
			# Estrella Blanca (current as time of magazine)

			--[[User:Nkhan\|thecubsfan]] ([[User talk:Nkhan\|talk]]) 10:28, 21 January 2021 (PST)

Usamexlalaguna at 20:34, 24 September 2008

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	heh, thought you'd enjoy that. The real fun is when I figure out how to get going with the IWRG titles since those are defended so often, it'd be interesting to see who the successful champs are. Trying to avoid the UWA Heavyweight Title for now as I know Canek has about a billion defenses in the 80's alone.--[[User:Robert\|Robert]] 21:30, 31 March 2006 (CST)		heh, thought you'd enjoy that. The real fun is when I figure out how to get going with the IWRG titles since those are defended so often, it'd be interesting to see who the successful champs are. Trying to avoid the UWA Heavyweight Title for now as I know Canek has about a billion defenses in the 80's alone.--[[User:Robert\|Robert]] 21:30, 31 March 2006 (CST)

			i think they are just calling it a wiehgt division title and not putting it as a minins title they may unify but i think is to give guys in the mini division more compettion adn recognition

Robert at 03:30, 1 April 2006

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	It scares and delights me that you have 1937 title defenses laying around. It doesn't surprise me, though. --[[User:Nkhan\|thecubsfan]] 14:46, 31 March 2006 (CST)		It scares and delights me that you have 1937 title defenses laying around. It doesn't surprise me, though. --[[User:Nkhan\|thecubsfan]] 14:46, 31 March 2006 (CST)

			heh, thought you'd enjoy that. The real fun is when I figure out how to get going with the IWRG titles since those are defended so often, it'd be interesting to see who the successful champs are. Trying to avoid the UWA Heavyweight Title for now as I know Canek has about a billion defenses in the 80's alone.--[[User:Robert\|Robert]] 21:30, 31 March 2006 (CST)

Nkhan at 20:46, 31 March 2006

2006-03-31T20:46:36Z

New page

It scares and delights me that you have 1937 title defenses laying around. It doesn't surprise me, though. --[[User:Nkhan|thecubsfan]] 14:46, 31 March 2006 (CST)