Talk:Mexican National Heavyweight Championship - Revision history

Nkhan at 22:01, 20 December 2021

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	Super Halcon appears to be defending the belt on [http://www.luchadb.com/events/shows/00100000/00100208.php this July 1987] show, so his title win probably came sooner than that. We don't have Guadalajara lineups for 1987, newspaper doesn't list them. [[User:Thecubsfan\|Thecubsfan]] ([[User talk:Thecubsfan\|talk]]) 19:12, 22 June 2021 (PDT)		Super Halcon appears to be defending the belt on [http://www.luchadb.com/events/shows/00100000/00100208.php this July 1987] show, so his title win probably came sooner than that. We don't have Guadalajara lineups for 1987, newspaper doesn't list them. [[User:Thecubsfan\|Thecubsfan]] ([[User talk:Thecubsfan\|talk]]) 19:12, 22 June 2021 (PDT)

			== 1988 ==

			Halcon 787 places the Halcon/Dantes title change in Acapulco near the end of May. I'd guess the 27th if I had to guess because Wednesday is the usual EMLL day in Arena Coliseo Acapulco, but not confirmed. --[[User:Nkhan\|thecubsfan]] ([[User talk:Nkhan\|talk]]) 14:01, 20 December 2021 (PST)

Thecubsfan: /* 1987 error */ new section

2021-06-23T02:12:58Z

1987 error: new section

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	--[[User:Nkhan\|thecubsfan]] ([[User talk:Nkhan\|talk]]) 11:53, 21 January 2021 (PST)		--[[User:Nkhan\|thecubsfan]] ([[User talk:Nkhan\|talk]]) 11:53, 21 January 2021 (PST)

			== 1987 error ==

			Super Halcon appears to be defending the belt on [http://www.luchadb.com/events/shows/00100000/00100208.php this July 1987] show, so his title win probably came sooner than that. We don't have Guadalajara lineups for 1987, newspaper doesn't list them. [[User:Thecubsfan\|Thecubsfan]] ([[User talk:Thecubsfan\|talk]]) 19:12, 22 June 2021 (PDT)

Nkhan at 19:53, 21 January 2021

2021-01-21T19:53:41Z

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	Sadly that was the best shot of Garza with the belt from both the match he won it from Lover and his title defense in Juarez. In fact they never got a shot of Lover with the belt before he defended vs Garza.--[[User:Robert\|Robert]] 23:12, 25 May 2009 (UTC)		Sadly that was the best shot of Garza with the belt from both the match he won it from Lover and his title defense in Juarez. In fact they never got a shot of Lover with the belt before he defended vs Garza.--[[User:Robert\|Robert]] 23:12, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

			== Box Y Lucha 905 version ==

			Their version starts the history on June 24, 1944 with Firpo Segura defeating Doc Macias. As of this writing, that's a title change we have in 1940 (though we have nothing stopping it from being 1944)

			# Firpo Segura
			# Ray Duran
			# Firpo Segura
			# Daniel Aldana
			# Firpo Segura
			# Joaquin Murrieta
			# Medico Asesino
			# Pepe Mendieta
			# Chico Casaola
			# Pantera Negra
			# Black Gordman
			# Polo Torres
			# Henry Pilusso
			# Goliath

			There's a Steve Morgan/Firpo Segura title reign missing i this version.

			--[[User:Nkhan\|thecubsfan]] ([[User talk:Nkhan\|talk]]) 11:53, 21 January 2021 (PST)

Robert at 23:12, 25 May 2009

2009-05-25T23:12:27Z

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	Goliath defended the title on August 23, 1968 against Carlos Moll, so it can't be right that he won it in March 1969. --[[User:Ringo\|Ringo]] 11:34, 11 September 2008 (UTC)		Goliath defended the title on August 23, 1968 against Carlos Moll, so it can't be right that he won it in March 1969. --[[User:Ringo\|Ringo]] 11:34, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

			Sadly that was the best shot of Garza with the belt from both the match he won it from Lover and his title defense in Juarez. In fact they never got a shot of Lover with the belt before he defended vs Garza.--[[User:Robert\|Robert]] 23:12, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Ringo at 11:34, 11 September 2008

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	In an Interview Charly Manson claims that he still has posesion of the title do to the fact that Mesias won the 3 way match and he his from Puerto Rico so he claims he still the champion		In an Interview Charly Manson claims that he still has posesion of the title do to the fact that Mesias won the 3 way match and he his from Puerto Rico so he claims he still the champion

			Goliath defended the title on August 23, 1968 against Carlos Moll, so it can't be right that he won it in March 1969. --[[User:Ringo\|Ringo]] 11:34, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Usamexlalaguna at 23:21, 21 June 2008

2008-06-21T23:21:04Z

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	in cibernetico's words the status of the championship is unclear		in cibernetico's words the status of the championship is unclear

			In an Interview Charly Manson claims that he still has posesion of the title do to the fact that Mesias won the 3 way match and he his from Puerto Rico so he claims he still the champion

Crazy danish782 at 05:08, 3 October 2007

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	--[[User:Nkhan\|thecubsfan]] 22:56, 30 June 2007 (EDT)		--[[User:Nkhan\|thecubsfan]] 22:56, 30 June 2007 (EDT)

			in cibernetico's words the status of the championship is unclear

Nkhan: Replacing page with 'Tentative updated data Of note, the magazine has June 21, not June 4th as the last title reign - but first match should've aired to confirm the title change. Checking... --[[...'

2007-07-03T01:21:19Z

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Nkhan at 20:35, 2 July 2007

2007-07-02T20:35:49Z

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	{{TitleHistoryLine\|08\|[[Firpo Segura]] [2]\|[[Ray Duran]]\|1943\|[[Mexico City]]}}		{{TitleHistoryLine\|08\|[[Firpo Segura]] [2]\|[[Ray Duran]]\|1943\|[[Mexico City]]}}
	{{TitleHistoryLine\|09\|[[Steve Morgan]]\|[[Firpo Segura]]\|1946\|[[Mexico City]]}}		{{TitleHistoryLine\|09\|[[Steve Morgan]]\|[[Firpo Segura]]\|1946\|[[Mexico City]]}}
	{{TitleHistoryLine\|10\|[[Firpo Segura]]\|[[Steve Morgan]]\|1947.03.22\|[[Cuernavaca]]}}		{{TitleHistoryLine\|10\|[[Firpo Segura]] [3]\|[[Steve Morgan]]\|1947.03.22\|[[Cuernavaca]]}}
	{{TitleHistoryLine\|11\|[[Daniel Aladana]~~] [3~~]\|[[Firpo Segura]]\|1948\|}}		{{TitleHistoryLine\|11\|[[Daniel Aladana]]\|[[Firpo Segura]]\|1948\|}}
	{{TitleHistoryLine\|12\|[[Firpo Segura]]\|[[Daniel Aladana]]\|1952\|}}		{{TitleHistoryLine\|12\|[[Firpo Segura]] [4]\|[[Daniel Aladana]]\|1952\|}}
	{{TitleHistoryLine\|13\|[[Joaquin Murrieta]]\|[[Firpo Segura]]\|1954.08.12\|Mexico City}}		{{TitleHistoryLine\|13\|[[Joaquin Murrieta]]\|[[Firpo Segura]]\|1954.08.12\|Mexico City}}
	{{TitleHistorySpan\|vacates championship in 1955}}		{{TitleHistorySpan\|vacates championship in 1955}}

Nkhan: New page: Tentative updated data {{TitleHistoryStartShort}} {{TitleHistorySpan|first two reigns may are not listed in all sources}} {{TitleHistoryLine|01|Francisco Aguayo||1925|}}...

2007-07-01T02:56:38Z

New page: Tentative updated data {{TitleHistoryStartShort}} {{TitleHistorySpan|first two reigns may are not listed in all sources}} {{TitleHistoryLine|01|Francisco Aguayo||1925|}}...

New page

Tentative updated data

{{TitleHistoryStartShort}}
{{TitleHistorySpan|first two reigns may are not listed in all sources}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|01|[[Charro Aguayo|Francisco Aguayo]]||1925|}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|02|[[Martinez Larrera]]||1930.11|}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|03|[[Charro Aguayo|Francisco Aguayo]] [2]|[[Manuel Flores]]|1934.06.21|[[Arena Nacional]]}}
{{TitleDefenseLine|1|[[Chino Achui]]|1935.06.13|Arena Nacional}}
{{TitleDefenseLine|2|[[Yaqui Joe]]|1937.07.01|Arena Mexico}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|04|[[Yaqui Joe]]|[[Charro Aguayo|Francisco Aguayo]]|1937|[[Mexico City]]}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|05|[[Charro Aguayo|Francisco Aguayo]] [2]|[[Yaqui Joe]]|1938|}}
{{TitleHistorySpan|vacates championship in 1940}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|06|[[Firpo Segura]]|[[Doc Macias]]|1940|[[Mexico City]]}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|07|[[Ray Duran]]|[[Firpo Segura]]|1942|[[Morelia]]}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|08|[[Firpo Segura]] [2]|[[Ray Duran]]|1943|[[Mexico City]]}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|09|[[Steve Morgan]]|[[Firpo Segura]]|1946|[[Mexico City]]}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|10|[[Firpo Segura]]|[[Steve Morgan]]|1947.03.22|[[Cuernavaca]]}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|11|[[Daniel Aladana]] [3]|[[Firpo Segura]]|1948|}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|12|[[Firpo Segura]]|[[Daniel Aladana]]|1952|}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|13|[[Joaquin Murrieta]]|[[Firpo Segura]]|1954.08.12|Mexico City}}
{{TitleHistorySpan|vacates championship in 1955}}
{{TitleHistorySpan|[[Mexican National Heavyweight Tournament, 1956|tournament for championship]]}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|14|[[Médico Asesino]]|[[Jose Lothario]]|1956.09.07|Arena Mexico}}
{{TitleHistorySpan|[[Médico Asesino]] dies, 1960.06.16}}
{{TitleHistorySpan|[[Mexican National Heavyweight Tournament, 1962|tournament for championship]]}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|15|[[Pepe Mendieta]]|[[Henry Pilusso]]|1962.05.13|[[El Cortijo]], [[Mexico City]]}}
{{TitleHistorySpan|vacates championship in 1965 upon retirement}}
{{TitleHistorySpan|[[Mexican National Heavyweight Tournament, 1965|tournament for championship]]}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|16|[[Chico Casasola]]|[[Pantera Negra]]|1965.12.??|[[Guadalajara]]}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|17|[[Pantera Negra]]|[[Chico Casasola]]|1966.03.13|[[Guadaljara]]}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|18|[[Black Gordman]]|[[Pantera Negra]]|1966.09.06|[[Tamaulipas]]}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|19|[[Polo Torres]]|[[Black Gordman]]|1966.11.02|[[Torreon]]}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|20|[[Henry Pilusso]]|[[Polo Torres]]|1967.10.30|[[Juarez]]}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|21|[[Goliath]]|[[Henry Pilusso]]|1969.03.30|[[Juarez]]}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|22|[[Raul Reyes]]|[[Goliath]]|1970.02.02|[[Monterrey]]}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|23|[[Angel Blanco]]|[[Raul Reyes]]|1972.04.07|[[Arena Mexico]]}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|24|[[Enrique Vera]]|[[Angel Blanco]]|1973.10.26|[[Arena Coliseo]]}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|25|[[Raul Reyes]] [2]|[[Enrique Vera]]|1975.03.12|[[Acapulco]]}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|26|[[el Halcon]]|[[Raul Reyes]]|1975.09.27|[[Mexico City]]}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|27|[[Gran Markus]]|[[el Halcon]]|1977.03.13|[[Guadalajara]]}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|28|[[el Halcon]] [2]|[[Gran Markus]]|1977.06.24|[[Arena Mexico]]}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|29|[[Raul Mata]]|[[El Halcon]]|1977.12.18|[[Monterrey]]}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|30|[[El Nazi]]|[[Raul Mata]]|1978.07.01|[[Monterrey]]}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|31|[[TNT]]|[[El Nazi]]|1978.10.27|[[Mexico City]]}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|32|[[Gran Markus]] [2]|[[TNT]]|1979.02.04|[[Arena Mexico]]}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|33|[[el Halcon]] [3]|[[Gran Markus]]|1979.12.23|[[Torreon]]}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|34|[[Tony Benetto]] [3]|[[el Halcon]]|1980.01.16|[[Arena Coliseo De Acapulco]]}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|35|[[Cien Caras]]|[[Tony Benetto]]|1980.07.26|[[Puebla]]}}
{{TitleDefenseLine|1|[[TNT]]|1980.09.26|Arena Mexico}}
{{TitleDefenseLine|2|[[Adorable Rubi]]|1981.03.13|Arena Mexico}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|36|[[Herodes]]|[[Cien Caras]]|1982.03.28|[[Arena Coliseo DF]]}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|37|[[Halcon Ortiz]] [4]|[[Herodes]]|1982.06.20|[[Guadalajara]]}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|38|[[Pirata Morgan]]|[[Halcon Ortiz]]|1983.08.07|[[Guadalajara]]}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|39|[[Rayo de Jalisco Jr.]]|[[Pirata Morgan]]|1984.01.08|[[Arena Coliseo DF]]}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|40|[[Cien Caras]] [2]|[[Rayo de Jalisco Jr.]]|1984.03.30|[[Arena Mexico]]}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|41|[[Alfonso Dantes]]|[[Cien Caras]]|1986.08.20|[[Arena Coliseo De Acapulco]]}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|42|[[Super Halcon]] [5]|[[Alfonso Dantes]]|1987.09.03|[[Guadalajara]]}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|43|[[Gran Markus Jr.]] [4]|[[Super Halcon]]|1987.12.17|[[Acapulco]]}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|44|[[Alfonso Dantes]] [2]|[[Gran Markus Jr.]]|1988.08.07|[[Guadalajara]]}}
{{TitleHistorySpan|championship vacated around 1989.03 when Dantes retires}}
{{TitleHistorySpan|[[Mexican National Heavyweight Tournament, 1989|tournament for championship]]}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|45|[[Popitekus]]|[[Gran Markus Jr.]]|1989.05.21|[[Arena Coliseo DF]]}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|46|[[Gran Markus Jr.]] [3]|[[Popitekus]]|1990.07.09|[[Arena Coliseo DF]]}}
{{TitleDefenseLine|1|[[Popitekus]]|1990.07.26|[[Arena Puebla]]}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|47|[[Rayo de Jalisco Jr.]] [2]|[[Gran Markus Jr.]]|1990.10.17|[[Arena Coliseo De Acapulco]]}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|48|[[el Egipicio]]|[[Rayo de Jalisco Jr.]]|1991.04.13|[[Arena Puebla]]}}
{{TitleDefenseLine|1|[[Blue Demon Jr.]]|1991.07.13|Arena Puebla}}
{{TitleDefenseLine|2|[[Mano Negra]]|1991.10.11|Leon, Guanajuato}}
{{TitleDefenseLine|3|[[Rayo de Jalisco Jr.]]|1991.12.08|Arena Mexico}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|49|[[Rayo de Jalisco Jr.]] [3]|[[el Egipicio]]|1992.06.13|[[Pista Arena Revolucion]]}}
{{TitleDefenseLine|1|[[El Egipcio]]|1992.06.16|Pista Arena Revolucion}}
{{TitleDefenseLine|2|[[MS-1]]|1992.07.19|Arena Mexico}}
{{TitleDefenseLine|3|[[MS-1]]|1992.07.29|Arena Naucalpan}}
{{TitleDefenseLine|4|[[Gran Markus Jr.]]|1992.11.24|Arena Coliseo DF}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|50|[[Pierroth Jr.]]|[[Rayo de Jalisco Jr.]]|1995.02.24|[[Arena Puebla]]}}
{{TitleDefenseLine|1|[[Cien Caras]]|1996.05.24|Arena Neza}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|51|[[Mascara Sagrada]]|[[Pierroth Jr.]]|1996.09.20|[[Actopan]], [[Hidalgo]]}}
{{TitleDefenseLine|1|[[Pierroth Jr.]]|1996.11.03|Arena Coliseo De Monterrey}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|52|[[Cibernetico]]|[[Mascara Sagrada]]|1997.06.22|[[Pantitlan]]}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|53|[[Perro Aguayo]]|[[Cibernetico]]|1998.02.22|[[Chihuahua]]}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|54|[[Cobarde II]]|[[Perro Aguayo]]|1999.02.15|[[Nuevo Laredo]]}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|55|[[Latin Lover]]|[[Cobarde II]]|1999.10.19|[[Ciudad Acuna]]}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|56|[[Hector Garza]]|[[Latin Lover]]|2002.05.05|[[Arena Solidaridad]]}}
{{TitleDefenseLine|1|[[Latin Lover]]|2002.05.26|Juarez}}
{{TitleDefenseLine|2|[[Santos Ramos]]|2002.06.23|Nuevo Laredo}}
{{TitleDefenseLine|3|[[Latin Lover]]|2002.06.24|Nuevo Laredo}}
{{TitleDefenseLine|4|[[El Hijo del Solitario]]|2002.06.30|[[Arena Solidaridad]]}}
{{TitleDefenseLine|5|[[Mr. Aguila]]|2002.07.27|Tlaxcala}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|57|[[El Zorro]]|[[Hector Garza]]|2002.05.05|[[Monterrey]]}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|58|[[Pirata Morgan]]|[[Zorro]]|2003.12.27|[[Oaxaca]]}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|59|[[El Zorro]] [2]|[[Pirata Morgan]]|2004.02.04|[[Veracruz]]}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|60|[[Mr. Aguila]]|[[Zorro]]|2004.06.20|[[Toreo de Cuatro Caminos]]}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|61|[[El Zorro]] [3]|[[Mr. Aguila]]|2004.08.01|[[Guadalajara]]}}
{{TitleDefenseLine|1|[[Electro Shock]]|2006.02.25|Cuernavaca}}
{{TitleDefenseLine|2|[[Electro Shock]]|2006.04.02|Tlahuelilpan, Hidalgo}}
{{TitleDefenseLine|3|[[Charly Manson]]|2006.04.07|Victoria, Tamaulipas}}
{{TitleHistoryLine|62|[[Charly Manson]] [2]|[[El Zorro]]|2006.06.04|Pachuca, Hidalgo}}
{{TitleDefenseLine|1|[[El Zorro]] & [[Electro Shock]]|2006.06.21|Auditorio Benito Juarez - Guadalajara, Jalisco}}
{{TitleHistoryEnd}}

Of note, the magazine has June 21, not June 4th as the last title reign - but first match should've aired to confirm the title change. Checking...

--[[User:Nkhan|thecubsfan]] 22:56, 30 June 2007 (EDT)