From Luchawiki

I'm sorry to break it to you, but Arturo Rivera lies sometimes to be funny. Loco, I know. --thecubsfan 12:03, 28 March 2007 (EDT)

yeah but think about it if tinieblas was born in 39 and debuted in 71 he must have been at least 30 years old and some reliavable sources sais that tineiblas os dead for a couple of years

and some wrestlers like LA PARK have call him openly as tieneblas and if the original tinieblas was alive why did he only wrestle in cards were morales is a presentador or an announcer ????