Talk:NWA World Middleweight Championship

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Yay, El Jalisco picture!

Just for reference, still MIA:

  • Mike Kelly (7)
  • Gory Guerrero (6)
  • Black Guzman (4)
  • Octavio Gaona (2)
  • Gus Kallio (1) --thecubsfan 04:55, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm presuming the 1990.01.12 title match did happen, but it's just a title defense instead of a title change. Not 100% sure, but it'd be hard to come up with it from nowhere. --thecubsfan 05:21, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

I totally endorse what you're doing, in listing the announced/reported defense number where known and conflicting. More info is better - it lets us know what we're missing, and it reminds everyone else that we are missing plenty. Thanks. --thecubsfan 06:13, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

12/04/07 title defense =

Ummm...the 12/4/07 defense that was just added for Averno against Vaneglis & Mistico, I didn't think Averno actually defended his title because he managed to gain the first pinfall, thus allowing him to not actually put his title on the line. Am I wrong? --JT179 07:16, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

You have a point. It's a tough call. One can either look at it as Averno won the three-way and thus avoided putting his title on the line or Averno successfully defended his belt since it was dubbed a title vs title vs title match.--Robert 08:03, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

I think we've had matches where people have put hair, masks and titles on the line in some tag/four way situation, and we usually only consider the ultimate match as the title defense or the lucha de apuesta. It's not exactly what's going on here, but it's the closest comparison I can think of. --thecubsfan 19:45, 5 January 2009 (UTC)


Box Y Lucha has Santo beating Rene Guajardo on 1966-12-13. Rene Guajardo is champ at that point, though there's no other sign of him losing it. --Thecubsfan (talk) 09:13, 13 December 2016 (PST)